The Importance of Conversations with Staff

I know, I know — every BCBA is super busy. There are just too many cases to see and not enough time to see them. In my view, conversations with staff should be a major part of your Organizational Behavior Management (OBM) plan. Although hard to prove, I believe it dramatically improves program quality. It definitely improves staff satisfaction.

Staff often place a very high value on interacting with supervisors about training, discussing next steps for the client, brainstorming problems, opportunities to address concerns, overcoming obstacles, asking questions, learning new things, professional growth, and just getting to know the supervisor personally. Supervisors often enjoy and appreciate how much they can learn from these conversations. In addition, supervisors get the opportunity to set expectations, provide reinforcement, monitor performance, and give corrective feedback.

We train supervisors not to use “sandwich feedback.” Sandwich feedback is where you start with a positive statement, (e.g., I appreciate you showing so much enthusiasm teaching Mark!). Then slip in the corrective feedback (e.g., when I observed you running the behavior plan, I noticed you forgot step #5 blah blah). Then end with a positive statement (e.g., You are such a hard worker, I know he is going to make great progress working with you!). Sandwich feedback is problematic because it is mostly to make the supervisor feel better about giving the feedback. For the person receiving the feedback, they ignore the positive statements and focus on the corrections.

The general rule to avoid this problem is never mix positive reinforcement with corrections in the same interaction. Separate them in time while making the positive much more frequent. That is good advice, most of the time. But I think you can take this advice too far. If you sit down to have an in-depth conversation to solve a problem, undoubtedly both positive and negative things will come up. If you are working together to solve a problem, that’s often highly reinforcing to staff. If you worry about mixing your positives and negatives, you can’t have a meaningful conversation.

I believe these conversations are so important that I make sure they go on the schedule. I don’t believe you can maintain high performance without them. Sometimes, we think we can replace conversations with staff with emails, text messages, training days, or brief positive statement when we catch the staff doing something right. It’s just not the same. I recently went to a workshop by John Austin on conversations as a primary management intervention with similar (but not identical) ideas.

Behavior analytic services should only be delivered in the context of a professional relationship. Nothing written in this blog should be considered advice for any specific individual. The purpose of the blog is to share my experience, not to provide treatment. Please get advice from a professional before making changes to behavior analytic services being delivered. Nothing in this blog including comments or correspondence should be considered an agreement for Dr. Barry D. Morgenstern to provide services or establish a professional relationship outside of a formal agreement to do so. I attempt to write this blog in “plain English” and avoid technical jargon whenever possible. But all statements are meant to be consistent with behavior analytic literature, practice, and the professional code of ethics. If, for whatever reason, you think I’ve failed in the endeavor, let me know and I’ll consider your comments and make revisions, if appropriate. Feedback is always appreciated as I’m always trying to Poogi.
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